Essex police could lose employment protection

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ESSEX police officers could be made redundant under new proposals.

Previously officers could not be made redundant for budgetary reasons in exchange for them giving up the right to strike, working unsociable hours at short notice and giving up other rights enjoyed by other professions.

However the Winsor report part two which examined police pay and conditions and was published yesterday has recommended this protection is withdrawn.

See the full story with reaction in Friday's newspaper.

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3:17pm Thu 15 Mar 12

grrrrrr says...

That'll ruffle a few feathers in the police camp, first public sector pensions and now unprotected jobs what ever next......
That'll ruffle a few feathers in the police camp, first public sector pensions and now unprotected jobs what ever next...... grrrrrr
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4:50pm Thu 15 Mar 12

whataday says...

Would they be allowed to impose this unilateral decision
What happened to negotiation?
Would they be allowed to impose this unilateral decision What happened to negotiation? whataday
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5:10pm Thu 15 Mar 12

naughtyladyofshadylane says...

ah so then they could strike eh? who'd be a copper anyway, catch your man/woman/child?? and they get - almost -let off these days, SUSPENDED sentences . I'd like to do the sentencing !!
ah so then they could strike eh? who'd be a copper anyway, catch your man/woman/child?? and they get - almost -let off these days, SUSPENDED sentences . I'd like to do the sentencing !! naughtyladyofshadylane
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7:00pm Thu 15 Mar 12

Brunning999 says...

naughtyladyofshadyla
ne
wrote:
ah so then they could strike eh? who'd be a copper anyway, catch your man/woman/child?? and they get - almost -let off these days, SUSPENDED sentences . I'd like to do the sentencing !!
They will be queuing up after leaving a 3 year degree course at university.

It makes sense get a degree earn £2000 less than a constable currently gets paid on starting work night work, weekends get spat at abused, sworn at, vomited on, kicked, punched, lose you human rights by not being allowed to talk about or going on strike, be restricted from expressing a political or religious view point, plus many more restrictions.
Sounds a really good career to me.
[quote][p][bold]naughtyladyofshadyla ne[/bold] wrote: ah so then they could strike eh? who'd be a copper anyway, catch your man/woman/child?? and they get - almost -let off these days, SUSPENDED sentences . I'd like to do the sentencing !![/p][/quote]They will be queuing up after leaving a 3 year degree course at university. It makes sense get a degree earn £2000 less than a constable currently gets paid on starting work night work, weekends get spat at abused, sworn at, vomited on, kicked, punched, lose you human rights by not being allowed to talk about or going on strike, be restricted from expressing a political or religious view point, plus many more restrictions. Sounds a really good career to me. Brunning999
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9:08pm Thu 15 Mar 12

Last Poster says...

Well, there we have it. One man recommends it, insists on fast tracking senior ranks from outside the force, so promotion prospects will be gone and men who are the police equivalent of our investment bankers will take over. But front line police will be safe. No doubt they will attract top pay (rightly) and will be uber-police. Roughly the equivalent of the SPG. Why ever did we allow Thatcher's love child in to continue what she started? AND the private police force for the gated gentry moves closer and closer. God help us all! They destroyed the family where the lad nicked a bottle of Evian, chucking the whole family out of their house without trial (The family had not done anything wrong) whilst these evil ne'er do wells have only to say sorry when they are caught with their hands in the till, to be let off. Does anyone still believe that life is going to move forward for the common people of England?
Well, there we have it. One man recommends it, insists on fast tracking senior ranks from outside the force, so promotion prospects will be gone and men who are the police equivalent of our investment bankers will take over. But front line police will be safe. No doubt they will attract top pay (rightly) and will be uber-police. Roughly the equivalent of the SPG. Why ever did we allow Thatcher's love child in to continue what she started? AND the private police force for the gated gentry moves closer and closer. God help us all! They destroyed the family where the lad nicked a bottle of Evian, chucking the whole family out of their house without trial (The family had not done anything wrong) whilst these evil ne'er do wells have only to say sorry when they are caught with their hands in the till, to be let off. Does anyone still believe that life is going to move forward for the common people of England? Last Poster
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9:33pm Thu 15 Mar 12

muffindamule says...

I wonder what our very own Chief Constable has to say on the matter.
I wonder what our very own Chief Constable has to say on the matter. muffindamule
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3:59am Fri 16 Mar 12

californianana says...

thank you brunming999.so very very true. working Xmas. all holidays. and everything else you state. shadow accused me of intimidating people with my gun but its not like that in real life. despite the danger we face every watch we don't wave our weapons Willynilly we have strict. policies. no disrespect but shadow has never been vomited invaded a knife thrown at him.you made some valid and great comments.
thank you brunming999.so very very true. working Xmas. all holidays. and everything else you state. shadow accused me of intimidating people with my gun but its not like that in real life. despite the danger we face every watch we don't wave our weapons Willynilly we have strict. policies. no disrespect but shadow has never been vomited invaded a knife thrown at him.you made some valid and great comments. californianana
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8:04am Fri 16 Mar 12

Brunning999 says...

californianana wrote:
thank you brunming999.so very very true. working Xmas. all holidays. and everything else you state. shadow accused me of intimidating people with my gun but its not like that in real life. despite the danger we face every watch we don't wave our weapons Willynilly we have strict. policies. no disrespect but shadow has never been vomited invaded a knife thrown at him.you made some valid and great comments.
Thank fook you understand what you mean.
[quote][p][bold]californianana[/bold] wrote: thank you brunming999.so very very true. working Xmas. all holidays. and everything else you state. shadow accused me of intimidating people with my gun but its not like that in real life. despite the danger we face every watch we don't wave our weapons Willynilly we have strict. policies. no disrespect but shadow has never been vomited invaded a knife thrown at him.you made some valid and great comments.[/p][/quote]Thank fook you understand what you mean. Brunning999
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8:09am Fri 16 Mar 12

Say It As It Is OK? says...

See no reason why the police should be exempt from the risk of losing their jobs, due to budget cuts. They are not a "special case" and its no different for them who should face redundancy if the need arises, just like anyone else has to.

If being in the police is as bad as Brunning999 says then, just like everyone else, they have a choice...there's the door!

Why not get out and leave of your own accord and join the ranks of the millions of others who haven't got the job protection and gold plated pension provided to the police. Most won't cos they know they are onto a good thing!
See no reason why the police should be exempt from the risk of losing their jobs, due to budget cuts. They are not a "special case" and its no different for them who should face redundancy if the need arises, just like anyone else has to. If being in the police is as bad as Brunning999 says then, just like everyone else, they have a choice...there's the door! Why not get out and leave of your own accord and join the ranks of the millions of others who haven't got the job protection and gold plated pension provided to the police. Most won't cos they know they are onto a good thing! Say It As It Is OK?
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10:03am Fri 16 Mar 12

californianana says...

brumming I don't know if you were being sarcastic but hey..it takes more than brains to be a cop it takes a lot of guts and not just. anyone can do it.it's. not a Hollywood movie it's real life.I'm darned proud of my service and the people I've been able to help along the way.
brumming I don't know if you were being sarcastic but hey..it takes more than brains to be a cop it takes a lot of guts and not just. anyone can do it.it's. not a Hollywood movie it's real life.I'm darned proud of my service and the people I've been able to help along the way. californianana
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10:13am Fri 16 Mar 12

Say It As It Is OK? says...

californianana wrote:
brumming I don't know if you were being sarcastic but hey..it takes more than brains to be a cop it takes a lot of guts and not just. anyone can do it.it's. not a Hollywood movie it's real life.I'm darned proud of my service and the people I've been able to help along the way.
We all make errors when posting on forums like this but you clearly don't take the time to read what you write! Try using that superior brain of yours to start sentences with a capital letter and punctuate your comments, before you post them, then we all may just about understand what you are actually trying to say!
[quote][p][bold]californianana[/bold] wrote: brumming I don't know if you were being sarcastic but hey..it takes more than brains to be a cop it takes a lot of guts and not just. anyone can do it.it's. not a Hollywood movie it's real life.I'm darned proud of my service and the people I've been able to help along the way.[/p][/quote]We all make errors when posting on forums like this but you clearly don't take the time to read what you write! Try using that superior brain of yours to start sentences with a capital letter and punctuate your comments, before you post them, then we all may just about understand what you are actually trying to say! Say It As It Is OK?
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1:37pm Fri 16 Mar 12

cavillas says...

If they take away one side of an agreement then the other side is no longer in effect, that means the Police would then be able to strike. This Government is riding roughshod over all of our liberties and this stupid population just put up with it. Wait till we have no effective police force or freely available nhs and gp's. It won't be more than 2years before this becomes reality.
If they take away one side of an agreement then the other side is no longer in effect, that means the Police would then be able to strike. This Government is riding roughshod over all of our liberties and this stupid population just put up with it. Wait till we have no effective police force or freely available nhs and gp's. It won't be more than 2years before this becomes reality. cavillas
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4:26pm Fri 16 Mar 12

naughtyladyofshadylane says...

agreed !
agreed ! naughtyladyofshadylane
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11:38am Sat 17 Mar 12

emma barnes says...

Say It As It Is OK? wrote:
See no reason why the police should be exempt from the risk of losing their jobs, due to budget cuts. They are not a "special case" and its no different for them who should face redundancy if the need arises, just like anyone else has to.

If being in the police is as bad as Brunning999 says then, just like everyone else, they have a choice...there's the door!

Why not get out and leave of your own accord and join the ranks of the millions of others who haven't got the job protection and gold plated pension provided to the police. Most won't cos they know they are onto a good thing!
They are a "special case" as they do not have the right to strike.
[quote][p][bold]Say It As It Is OK?[/bold] wrote: See no reason why the police should be exempt from the risk of losing their jobs, due to budget cuts. They are not a "special case" and its no different for them who should face redundancy if the need arises, just like anyone else has to. If being in the police is as bad as Brunning999 says then, just like everyone else, they have a choice...there's the door! Why not get out and leave of your own accord and join the ranks of the millions of others who haven't got the job protection and gold plated pension provided to the police. Most won't cos they know they are onto a good thing![/p][/quote]They are a "special case" as they do not have the right to strike. emma barnes
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4:50pm Sat 17 Mar 12

naughtyladyofshadylane says...

see what cavillas says, they would have the right to strike!
see what cavillas says, they would have the right to strike! naughtyladyofshadylane
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6:01pm Mon 19 Mar 12

jut1972 says...

The govt do not care about strikes, regardless of the morality of the argument, because the public do not support them.

The only person who has made strike threats work is Bob Crowe. Every other union is toothless and irrelevant.

The govt will argue the police are striking and putting safety at risk to stop the govt managing staff effectively. Who would support them then?
The govt do not care about strikes, regardless of the morality of the argument, because the public do not support them. The only person who has made strike threats work is Bob Crowe. Every other union is toothless and irrelevant. The govt will argue the police are striking and putting safety at risk to stop the govt managing staff effectively. Who would support them then? jut1972
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12:33am Wed 21 Mar 12

theequaliser1 says...

Say It As It Is OK? wrote:
californianana wrote:
brumming I don't know if you were being sarcastic but hey..it takes more than brains to be a cop it takes a lot of guts and not just. anyone can do it.it's. not a Hollywood movie it's real life.I'm darned proud of my service and the people I've been able to help along the way.
We all make errors when posting on forums like this but you clearly don't take the time to read what you write! Try using that superior brain of yours to start sentences with a capital letter and punctuate your comments, before you post them, then we all may just about understand what you are actually trying to say!
I am in total agreement with you say it as it is on your plight and response to this post...I note we have to "Service/Force" Members here posting on this article...In their case one should keep a tight lip and remain A Political...These Jobs 4 Life Public Sector posts in all areas and grey suits should now be curtailed and Policed themselves...The issue about Overweight and Unfit Operational personal on and duty and in service is a good case in point...One wonders how many of them would pass the H.O.E.T.S test on a regular basis...In the Military standing orders are often given to service personal, warning them of impending fitness tests and other requirements of acumen capability...I note the comments on here lamenting being spat at and various other antisocial attacks, this is a far cry from being shot at in Afghanistan, by some suicidal terrorist or running the extreme risk of being blown apart in the most horrendous of inhuman scenarios...Those boys Policing the world are paid peanuts in comparison to what "The Complainers" are attaining here in "Blighty"...Before they start by the way I have done my time for "Her Maj" during the "Cold War"...No one spoke of the deaths of my comrades back then in other theatres as widely publicised as know by the media...The service paid by us all as a collective needs a swift kick up the Peelers and rather robust and sharply...Their union the "Federation" needs to shut up and take the pain like everyone else...The pensions (Two Thirds Gilt Edged) at 53, is no longer sustainable...The gravy train has now finally stopped and in this case at the longest running saga in local politics comments forums...They really need to cease being so self protectionist and fall in line and kilter with the rest of us in society...& that means no more silly Digital channel Super Cop shows advertising their wares to all and sundry...We are not interested in seeing people that we pay for sitting in high powered Volvo response cars stuffing there faces with Fried Chicken and Jelly Babies telling members of the public to "Wind There Necks In"...The Police Helicopter needs disbanding and the money spent better elsewhere ie more Bike Cops on the road>>>...It can no longer be as it was in the glory days of Men On Mars in the 60's & 70's because the Loads Of Money Brigade That manifested and spawned in the 80's have messed it up for all of us...It is time to drink the Venos and take the medicine like the people you Protect & Assist...Equaliser++
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[quote][p][bold]Say It As It Is OK?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]californianana[/bold] wrote: brumming I don't know if you were being sarcastic but hey..it takes more than brains to be a cop it takes a lot of guts and not just. anyone can do it.it's. not a Hollywood movie it's real life.I'm darned proud of my service and the people I've been able to help along the way.[/p][/quote]We all make errors when posting on forums like this but you clearly don't take the time to read what you write! Try using that superior brain of yours to start sentences with a capital letter and punctuate your comments, before you post them, then we all may just about understand what you are actually trying to say![/p][/quote]I am in total agreement with you say it as it is on your plight and response to this post...I note we have to "Service/Force" Members here posting on this article...In their case one should keep a tight lip and remain A Political...These Jobs 4 Life Public Sector posts in all areas and grey suits should now be curtailed and Policed themselves...The issue about Overweight and Unfit Operational personal on and duty and in service is a good case in point...One wonders how many of them would pass the H.O.E.T.S test on a regular basis...In the Military standing orders are often given to service personal, warning them of impending fitness tests and other requirements of acumen capability...I note the comments on here lamenting being spat at and various other antisocial attacks, this is a far cry from being shot at in Afghanistan, by some suicidal terrorist or running the extreme risk of being blown apart in the most horrendous of inhuman scenarios...Those boys Policing the world are paid peanuts in comparison to what "The Complainers" are attaining here in "Blighty"...Before they start by the way I have done my time for "Her Maj" during the "Cold War"...No one spoke of the deaths of my comrades back then in other theatres as widely publicised as know by the media...The service paid by us all as a collective needs a swift kick up the Peelers and rather robust and sharply...Their union the "Federation" needs to shut up and take the pain like everyone else...The pensions (Two Thirds Gilt Edged) at 53, is no longer sustainable...The gravy train has now finally stopped and in this case at the longest running saga in local politics comments forums...They really need to cease being so self protectionist and fall in line and kilter with the rest of us in society...& that means no more silly Digital channel Super Cop shows advertising their wares to all and sundry...We are not interested in seeing people that we pay for sitting in high powered Volvo response cars stuffing there faces with Fried Chicken and Jelly Babies telling members of the public to "Wind There Necks In"...The Police Helicopter needs disbanding and the money spent better elsewhere ie more Bike Cops on the road>>>...It can no longer be as it was in the glory days of Men On Mars in the 60's & 70's because the Loads Of Money Brigade That manifested and spawned in the 80's have messed it up for all of us...It is time to drink the Venos and take the medicine like the people you Protect & Assist...Equaliser++ + theequaliser1
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12:44am Wed 21 Mar 12

theequaliser1 says...

I am in total agreement with you say it as it is, on your plight and response to this post...I note we have two 2 "Service/Force" Members here posting on this article...In their case one should keep a tight lip and remain A Political...These Jobs 4 Life Public Sector posts in all areas and grey suits, should now be curtailed and Policed themselves...The issue about Overweight and Unfit Operational personal on and in duty in service, is a good case in point...One wonders how many of them would pass the H.O.E.T. Home Office Entry Test, on a regular basis...In the Military standing orders are often given to service personel, warning them of impending fitness tests and other requirements of acumen capability...I note the comments on here, lamenting being spat at and various other antisocial attacks, this is a far cry from being shot at in Afghanistan, by some suicidal terrorist, or running the extreme risk of being blown apart in the most horrendous of inhuman scenarios...Those boys Policing the world are paid peanuts in comparison to what "The Complainers" are attaining here in "Blighty"...Before they start by the way I have done my time for "Her Maj" during the "Cold War"...Know one spoke of the deaths of my comrades back then in other theatres, as widely publicised as know by the media...The service paid by us all as a collective, needs a swift kick up "The Peelers and a rather robust and sharp one at that...Their Union The "Federation" needs to shut up and take the pain like everyone else...The Pensions (Two Thirds Gilt Edged) at 53, is no longer sustainable...The gravy train has now finally stopped and in this case in the longest running saga in local political comment forums...They really need to cease being so self protectionist and fall in line and kilter with the rest of us in society...& that means no more silly Digital Channel Super Cop shows, advertising their wares to all and sundry...We are not interested in seeing people that we pay for, sitting in high powered Volvo response cars stuffing there faces with Fried Chicken and Jelly Babies, telling members of the public to "Wind Their Necks In"...The Police Helicopter needs disbanding and the money spent better elsewhere ie more Bike Cops on the road>>>...It can no longer be as it was in the glory days of Men On Mars in the 60's & 70's, because the Loads Of Money Brigade That manifested and spawned in the 80's, have messed it up for all of us...It is time to drink the Venos and take the medicine like the people you Protect & Assist...Equaliser++
I am in total agreement with you say it as it is, on your plight and response to this post...I note we have two 2 "Service/Force" Members here posting on this article...In their case one should keep a tight lip and remain A Political...These Jobs 4 Life Public Sector posts in all areas and grey suits, should now be curtailed and Policed themselves...The issue about Overweight and Unfit Operational personal on and in duty in service, is a good case in point...One wonders how many of them would pass the H.O.E.T. Home Office Entry Test, on a regular basis...In the Military standing orders are often given to service personel, warning them of impending fitness tests and other requirements of acumen capability...I note the comments on here, lamenting being spat at and various other antisocial attacks, this is a far cry from being shot at in Afghanistan, by some suicidal terrorist, or running the extreme risk of being blown apart in the most horrendous of inhuman scenarios...Those boys Policing the world are paid peanuts in comparison to what "The Complainers" are attaining here in "Blighty"...Before they start by the way I have done my time for "Her Maj" during the "Cold War"...Know one spoke of the deaths of my comrades back then in other theatres, as widely publicised as know by the media...The service paid by us all as a collective, needs a swift kick up "The Peelers and a rather robust and sharp one at that...Their Union The "Federation" needs to shut up and take the pain like everyone else...The Pensions (Two Thirds Gilt Edged) at 53, is no longer sustainable...The gravy train has now finally stopped and in this case in the longest running saga in local political comment forums...They really need to cease being so self protectionist and fall in line and kilter with the rest of us in society...& that means no more silly Digital Channel Super Cop shows, advertising their wares to all and sundry...We are not interested in seeing people that we pay for, sitting in high powered Volvo response cars stuffing there faces with Fried Chicken and Jelly Babies, telling members of the public to "Wind Their Necks In"...The Police Helicopter needs disbanding and the money spent better elsewhere ie more Bike Cops on the road>>>...It can no longer be as it was in the glory days of Men On Mars in the 60's & 70's, because the Loads Of Money Brigade That manifested and spawned in the 80's, have messed it up for all of us...It is time to drink the Venos and take the medicine like the people you Protect & Assist...Equaliser++ theequaliser1
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10:02pm Wed 21 Mar 12

Phoenix22 says...

muffindamule wrote:
I wonder what our very own Chief Constable has to say on the matter.
If you mean the arse that has that user name on here, maybe "Not guilty m'lud" might be his only comment soon enough.
[quote][p][bold]muffindamule[/bold] wrote: I wonder what our very own Chief Constable has to say on the matter.[/p][/quote]If you mean the arse that has that user name on here, maybe "Not guilty m'lud" might be his only comment soon enough. Phoenix22
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