Bishop: Dale Farm eviction 'just moves the problem' (From Chelmsford Weekly News)
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Bishop: Dale Farm eviction 'just moves the problem'
10:30am Wednesday 19th October 2011 in News
The Rt Rev Stephen Cottrell
THE Bishop of Chelmsford said we should pray for a peaceful clearance of Dale Farm, but warned the eviction solves no problems.
The Rt Rev Stephen Cottrell said: "As we witness the sad and difficult eviction of the travelling community from Dale Farm, let us pray that it happens peacefully and that no one is hurt or injured.
"But let us also remember that this eviction does not solve the problem but moves it somewhere else. These families are going to have to sleep somewhere tonight.
"What is needed is a national solution to provide travelling communities with stable, permanent and, if they wish, settled sites so that their culture and community can be maintained and flourish within the law."
Comments(41)
redcar
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11:01am Wed 19 Oct 11
JuliaM
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11:05am Wed 19 Oct 11
carnacation wrote:Indeed!
Bit late, to start praying for peace, shame the church didn't offer moving advice before this day arrived..
Discouraged
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11:06am Wed 19 Oct 11
yellowfairy
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11:06am Wed 19 Oct 11
OneManOneVoice
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11:09am Wed 19 Oct 11
carnacation
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11:09am Wed 19 Oct 11
Brunning999
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11:14am Wed 19 Oct 11
I know the Church should never turn anyone away (which they actually ) however perhaps a non participant role would be wiser.
He is another example of the very truthful saying like many hard nosed stuck up posh Christians they are ' So heavenly minded they are no worldly use'
Even Jesus used force in the church used as a market place.
perini
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11:15am Wed 19 Oct 11
I'm sure the church has loads of space they can settle on! Make sure it's of prime residential value though!
OneManOneVoice
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11:17am Wed 19 Oct 11
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Did he have a lightsaber too ?
Bosniavet
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11:24am Wed 19 Oct 11
Ricayboy
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11:25am Wed 19 Oct 11
redcar
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11:32am Wed 19 Oct 11
Ricayboy wrote:They can go to (a) their houses in Ireland (b) a legal plot of the £3 million amount of land they own or (c) accept the Council Housing offered to them. I am quite sure this is more option than the rest of us would have if we lost our LEGAL homes
I am a Christian and I see nothing wrong with enforcing the law of the land. However, what the bloke says is true in a way. Where are the Travellers going to go next?
streetboy75
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11:41am Wed 19 Oct 11
APR
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11:46am Wed 19 Oct 11
You couldn't make it up could you ?
carnacation
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11:46am Wed 19 Oct 11
redcar
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11:46am Wed 19 Oct 11
GentleGiant
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11:47am Wed 19 Oct 11
Why not invite them all to stay on his land?
What a sad person.....
Ricayboy
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11:52am Wed 19 Oct 11
redcar wrote:No, I didn't mean that. What concerns me is that they'll just go somewhere else to blight another community just down the road.
Ricayboy wrote:They can go to (a) their houses in Ireland (b) a legal plot of the £3 million amount of land they own or (c) accept the Council Housing offered to them. I am quite sure this is more option than the rest of us would have if we lost our LEGAL homes
I am a Christian and I see nothing wrong with enforcing the law of the land. However, what the bloke says is true in a way. Where are the Travellers going to go next?
wickham
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12:41pm Wed 19 Oct 11
Ironman
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12:54pm Wed 19 Oct 11
Ricayboy wrote:where they come from..........easy!
I am a Christian and I see nothing wrong with enforcing the law of the land. However, what the bloke says is true in a way. Where are the Travellers going to go next?
Ironman
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12:59pm Wed 19 Oct 11
GentleGiant wrote:Doesn't this hypocrite live at the top of Stock hill with an acre of lawned garden that could be enhanced by the addition of some well placed tarmac landscaping.
it is time this so called man of God got real.
Why not invite them all to stay on his land?
What a sad person.....
Alekhine
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1:00pm Wed 19 Oct 11
Ironman wrote:and God said - go forth and multiply.
Ricayboy wrote: I am a Christian and I see nothing wrong with enforcing the law of the land. However, what the bloke says is true in a way. Where are the Travellers going to go next?where they come from..........easy!
hughie-s
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1:32pm Wed 19 Oct 11
GentleGiant wrote:He said on the radio the church has no land hey could go on!!!
it is time this so called man of God got real.
Why not invite them all to stay on his land?
What a sad person.....
redcar
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1:38pm Wed 19 Oct 11
Ricayboy wrote:You can bet they will go somewhere else illegal - all the time protesting on tv they have no-where to go. If the BBC made it clear to the nation these people have several legal options there would be NO sympathy next time they illegally settle and one hopes the courts will be quicker to act in future - if they continue then they must all be jailed - do the crime do the time.
redcar wrote:No, I didn't mean that. What concerns me is that they'll just go somewhere else to blight another community just down the road.Ricayboy wrote: I am a Christian and I see nothing wrong with enforcing the law of the land. However, what the bloke says is true in a way. Where are the Travellers going to go next?They can go to (a) their houses in Ireland (b) a legal plot of the £3 million amount of land they own or (c) accept the Council Housing offered to them. I am quite sure this is more option than the rest of us would have if we lost our LEGAL homes
It seems many feel that just because these people will go and break the law again it is best to just leave us residents that have suffered for 10 years to put up with it.
Travellers have 3 legal options - they can take them. If they choose an illegal option then this time they should be arrested / jailed / property and money seized and sold to pay for all the damage they have caused and legal fees.
APR
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3:44pm Wed 19 Oct 11
redcar wrote:That doesn't surprise me at all.
I do wonder why the Catholic Church has not been involved in this ? the travellers are afterall part of their flock. One day my partner went inside the Catholic Church to ask calmly could all the (un-taxed) illegally parked cars and vans over the grass-verge and those blocking the pavement kindly be moved as a disabled lady could not get down the road in her wheelchair and 3 young mums could not get access down the road with their prams. A simply resonable request. In church he was given replies that would be unprintable and the priest said nothing!!!! So much for "love thy neighbour" and "god-fearing folk" - the church really should give their services, support and understanding to those that respect others and show kindness to others and not get involved with criminals and they should condem those that show violence towards others.
In fact, nothing the Catholic church gets up to surprises me any more.
They must be the most evil bunch of hypocrites in existence.
SARFENDMAN
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5:37pm Wed 19 Oct 11
geezer, innit
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6:08pm Wed 19 Oct 11
Plenty of room in the car parks of all the churches in the Bishop of Chelmsford's diocese - let the 'travellers' plot up there and see how how the locals like it.
If you got nothing to add that'll solve the problem Bish, just shut the flip up, get on your knees and pray to the Lord....
Mary Lou
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6:45pm Wed 19 Oct 11
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No, thought not.
its only fair
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6:52pm Wed 19 Oct 11
Ricayboy wrote:well thats up to them why should we re house them for illegaly squating ?? if you or i was to squat illegaly we wouldnt be offerd homes we would be dragged off and arrested then told to jog on !! as for the bishop lol .. u have more land then bdc dont see you offering any to the travellers !! the church always sticks its nose in but never does anything to help !!any way the travellers have been offerd places but refused even the sheridan woman said on tv we dont want to go to these places !! well it wernt a choice its take it or leave it cos we wouldnt be offerd a choice ... i think the problem is for the irish gov thats their country let them have the crap back their law breakers so deport them !!!
I am a Christian and I see nothing wrong with enforcing the law of the land. However, what the bloke says is true in a way. Where are the Travellers going to go next?
its only fair
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7:10pm Wed 19 Oct 11
save southend
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7:39pm Wed 19 Oct 11
stropmag
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8:34pm Wed 19 Oct 11
leighbloke
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10:42pm Wed 19 Oct 11
I am amazed they have little else to do with their life but Bash the Bishop
Major Incident
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10:52pm Wed 19 Oct 11
Alternatively perhaps an audience with the Pope could be granted.....caravans in St Peter's Square would make it a more interesting tourist attraction.
bazza 1
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12:42pm Fri 21 Oct 11
redcar wrote:Well said " redcar". The travellers know just how to plead discrimination, and the press seems to pander to their point of view. No other community in the UK is given help with settlement, paid for by the taxpayer. Why should they be treated any differently to anyone else? Were the Dale Farm travellers paying council tax in the 10 years they resided there? My guess is no. Were the men working in the black economy? My guess is yes. Why are we, the taxpayers expected to bend over backwards to accomodate these outlaws? They are only here in England because the Eire government made their practise of tresspass illegal. Why has our government been so lax in changing our laws to protect us from this kind of opportunistic law breaking? I for one will never vote for any of the three major political parties ever again. I will vote for anyone who is reading from the same page as me. At present that is possibly UKIP. God save us from the Liberal, Conservatives, and the Labour Party.
Will the Bishop also pray for those victims of the alledged murders / rape / theft / violence that appear to eliminate from DF? Will the Bishop also pray for justic in benefit fraud investigations. Will he pray for more school places for settled residents as we gave up a good school for DF (now official worst truant record in entire UK). Will he pray for the REAL victims in this ? DF residents are not homeless - they have property and funds most of us can only dream of and also want to be immune from the laws of the land. If it is justice for the victims of this occupation the Bishop is praying for then the legal settled residents of the area thank him for his support.
bazza 1
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12:52pm Fri 21 Oct 11
leighbloke wrote:Perhaps they are being "bashed", because they utter absolute drivel about the "travellers". Why should things be provided for people who's only aim in life is to give two fingers to the rest of us. They pay sod all into the society they live amongst, and expect everything back. It's no wonder the churches are empty on Sunday. If the church (C of E, or Catholic) are so concerned about their welfare, then, being as they are the countries largest landowners, maybe they can set aside some pasture land of their own, so the "Travellers" can cover it in tarmac, and build static houses, (without wheels) and then look forward to replacing the lead on the local church roof.
There are far too many Bishop Bashers making postings on here tonight.
I am amazed they have little else to do with their life but Bash the Bishop
Kim Gandy
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9:37am Sat 22 Oct 11
Just for once you lefties, LET'S SEE YOU ACT instead of this constant bellyaching.
chunkus04
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4:01pm Sat 22 Oct 11
jacklumber1
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10:11am Sun 23 Oct 11
MrsPloppy
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12:02am Wed 26 Oct 11
Kim Gandy wrote:Ere misses, does that man Len Gridley live in your gaff? I mean, you support him don't you?
Hey bish.... how's this for a novel idea... YOU HAVE THEM ON CHURCH LAND. You're sympathising with them, you're "praying" for them.. YOU have them. Now where is there a piece of land in the vicinity belonging to the Church, come on, let's see YOU doing something. All you do gooders out there need to DO SOMETHING instead of telling the rest of us what we should and shouldn't do, say and think.
Just for once you lefties, LET'S SEE YOU ACT instead of this constant bellyaching.
carnacation says...
10:34am Wed 19 Oct 11